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	<title>Comments on: Software control of matter at the atomic and molecular scale</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on the future of nanotechnology from Richard Jones</description>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=252&#038;cpage=1#comment-21418</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a useful molecular machine was to be classed as the product of ‘intelligent design’, how would &#039;useful&#039; be defined? Would it not depend on who benefitted from the usefulness?

A machine designed by a human to be useful to humans would signify intelligent design because it fulfilled an intended purpose - to benefit its designer. If a machine had only the ability to maintain itself and reproduce, would that be useful? 
It might be useful to the machine but not to an outside intelligence, so no intelligence need have been involved in the design.

The purpose of living beings appears to be to maintain themselves and reproduce. The ability of humans to add complications to their lives, such as trying to understand their world, making complex entertainments or creating obstacles to overcome, does not change the purpose. This suggests that there was no higher intelligence involved in their creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a useful molecular machine was to be classed as the product of ‘intelligent design’, how would &#8216;useful&#8217; be defined? Would it not depend on who benefitted from the usefulness?</p>
<p>A machine designed by a human to be useful to humans would signify intelligent design because it fulfilled an intended purpose &#8211; to benefit its designer. If a machine had only the ability to maintain itself and reproduce, would that be useful?<br />
It might be useful to the machine but not to an outside intelligence, so no intelligence need have been involved in the design.</p>
<p>The purpose of living beings appears to be to maintain themselves and reproduce. The ability of humans to add complications to their lives, such as trying to understand their world, making complex entertainments or creating obstacles to overcome, does not change the purpose. This suggests that there was no higher intelligence involved in their creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=252&#038;cpage=1#comment-18153</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about man-made experiments in which systems are allowed to evolve? Supposing that the products of such experiments ended up being useful molecular machines, would they be classed as the products of &#039;intelligent design&#039; or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about man-made experiments in which systems are allowed to evolve? Supposing that the products of such experiments ended up being useful molecular machines, would they be classed as the products of &#8216;intelligent design&#8217; or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=252&#038;cpage=1#comment-18122</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attobuoy, that&#039;s an ingenious and probably correct argument, though somehow I don&#039;t see it having a lot of traction with the creationists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attobuoy, that&#8217;s an ingenious and probably correct argument, though somehow I don&#8217;t see it having a lot of traction with the creationists.</p>
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		<title>By: attobuoy</title>
		<link>http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=252&#038;cpage=1#comment-18053</link>
		<dc:creator>attobuoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 05:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The creationists at http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/138/57/ believe that &quot;intelligent design&quot; is behind cell biology.

But let&#039;s turn that supposition on its head: It&#039;s evident to the relaity-based community that cell biology comprises a set of complex systems which has evolved without inelligent design. It&#039;s also evident that at the macroscale humans perform intelligent design and fabrication of complex systems. But what&#039;s not evident is whether intelligent design and fabrication of complex systems is possible at the nanoscale. 

Indeed, the evidence to date is that intelligent design of complex systems at the nanoscale is very, very difficult, and that it may be impossible.

So the question for the creationists is this: If it becomes evident that the intelligent design and fabrication of complex nanoscale systems is impossible, doesn&#039;t that imply that the ab-initio intelligent design and fabrication of biological systms is also impossible, and so doesn;t that argue for the non-existence of an intelligent designer of biological systems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The creationists at <a href="http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/138/57/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/138/57/</a> believe that &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; is behind cell biology.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s turn that supposition on its head: It&#8217;s evident to the relaity-based community that cell biology comprises a set of complex systems which has evolved without inelligent design. It&#8217;s also evident that at the macroscale humans perform intelligent design and fabrication of complex systems. But what&#8217;s not evident is whether intelligent design and fabrication of complex systems is possible at the nanoscale. </p>
<p>Indeed, the evidence to date is that intelligent design of complex systems at the nanoscale is very, very difficult, and that it may be impossible.</p>
<p>So the question for the creationists is this: If it becomes evident that the intelligent design and fabrication of complex nanoscale systems is impossible, doesn&#8217;t that imply that the ab-initio intelligent design and fabrication of biological systms is also impossible, and so doesn;t that argue for the non-existence of an intelligent designer of biological systems?</p>
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		<title>By: guthrie</title>
		<link>http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=252&#038;cpage=1#comment-12180</link>
		<dc:creator>guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a very nice website they have.  ITs a shame its the usual creationist claptrap behind it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a very nice website they have.  ITs a shame its the usual creationist claptrap behind it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=252&#038;cpage=1#comment-12176</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intelligent design &quot;experts&quot; are desperate.  The more that we come to understand about life, the more threatened they feel.  They have their faith and are desperately struggling to explain it with respect to the data.  Having nothing to grasp onto, the all-mighty reasoning of &quot;hey, it&#039;s to complex to have happened by itself&quot; is the explanation that we hear time and again.

It all comes down to ego and a subconscious fear of death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intelligent design &#8220;experts&#8221; are desperate.  The more that we come to understand about life, the more threatened they feel.  They have their faith and are desperately struggling to explain it with respect to the data.  Having nothing to grasp onto, the all-mighty reasoning of &#8220;hey, it&#8217;s to complex to have happened by itself&#8221; is the explanation that we hear time and again.</p>
<p>It all comes down to ego and a subconscious fear of death.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chemistry student, you&#039;re certainly right that the most general problem is very hard.  But on the other hand, there are already examples of situations in which you can design something to self-assemble into something you want.  Of course, its not obvious that a self-assembling system to make any desired structure can be made.  If it was easy, someone would have done it already.

Thanks for the tip, Guthrie.  I&#039;ll write a comment on this slightly alarming development later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chemistry student, you&#8217;re certainly right that the most general problem is very hard.  But on the other hand, there are already examples of situations in which you can design something to self-assemble into something you want.  Of course, its not obvious that a self-assembling system to make any desired structure can be made.  If it was easy, someone would have done it already.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip, Guthrie.  I&#8217;ll write a comment on this slightly alarming development later.</p>
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		<title>By: guthrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, you might like to know your being quoted by some creationists:
http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/138/57/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, you might like to know your being quoted by some creationists:<br />
<a href="http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/138/57/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/138/57/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chemistry Student</title>
		<link>http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=252&#038;cpage=1#comment-12130</link>
		<dc:creator>Chemistry Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really doubt that design driven atom assembling will be a feasible anytime soon. 
Just imagine you have already assembled n atoms in the space. 
Then how it could be possible to add n+1 atom without destroying of the prevoius structureby any of the mentioned method? 
Any exitation or kinetic energy in the n+1 atom will destoy the molecule.
Self-assembling seems even more unprobable, because atoms will self assemble to the stable stuctures, which are in most cases not structures we want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really doubt that design driven atom assembling will be a feasible anytime soon.<br />
Just imagine you have already assembled n atoms in the space.<br />
Then how it could be possible to add n+1 atom without destroying of the prevoius structureby any of the mentioned method?<br />
Any exitation or kinetic energy in the n+1 atom will destoy the molecule.<br />
Self-assembling seems even more unprobable, because atoms will self assemble to the stable stuctures, which are in most cases not structures we want.</p>
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		<title>By: Zenith</title>
		<link>http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=252&#038;cpage=1#comment-12127</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still would like hobbyist atomic positioning! I want it on my desk by tommarow morning. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still would like hobbyist atomic positioning! I want it on my desk by tommarow morning. <img src='http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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